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Odd Lots: Why Copper May Be One of the Tightest Markets The World Has Ever Seen

Podcast: Odd Lots

 

Episode: Why Copper May Be One of the Tightest Markets The World Has Ever Seen

Length: 41min

Produced By: Bloomberg

Date:  May 30, 2022

Overview

Goldman Sachs metals strategist Nick Snowdon explains why the bank is incredibly bullish on Copper.

He explains Goldman’s $15,000 a tonne by 2025 price target, breaking down drivers of both supply and demand. 

Goldman Sachs 2025 Copper Price Target
Price Target: $15,000 a tonne by 2025
  • Could be conservative, copper will need to go to a level beyond any level seen before
  • Oil went up 7x in 2000s to adjust market, solve imbalances 
  • Do not rule out $50,000 or $100,000 a tonne copper
  • Have never been in such an extreme set of fundamental circumstances in copper mkt
Near Term: Markets driven by spot fundamentals
  • Weakness in Chinese demand due to covid lock downs
  • Slightly stronger exports of copper out of Russia vs. expectations
  • These are transitory issues
Structural / Long Term:
  • There is no decarbonization without copper
  • Integral to key green technologies – EVs, EV charging infrastructure, Renewables
  • Demand impact from decarb over next decade will generate as much of an uplift to Copper demand as China did in the 2000s
  • At the same time, we hit peak copper supply in next 2 years
    • There is an absence of new investment
    • After that peak, supply is trending towards open ended contraction
What will balance prices in the long term?
  • Demand destruction to achieve rebalancing
  • Copper is a small part of the price of any end good
    • Ex. Copper is a small part of overall price of an EV
  • Would need massive increases in price to achieve necessary increase in overall cost to drive demand destruction 
    • Very different to agriculture, energy markets
    Forecasting Demand
    Current Demand – 24 million tons in 2022
    • Dominated by non-green demand (~22.5 million tons)
      • construction, wiring in houses, in electronics, cars, grid
    • Green demand is around 1.5 million tons
      • EVs, EV charging infrastructure, green power generation

      Growing Green Demand

      • Already seeing incredible growth in the EV sector, especially in China
      • Aggressive growth in green infrastructure
      • Green demand is no longer theoretical, it is growing now
      • Over next 5 to 10 years:
        • 2025: Green demand doubles, to around 3 million tons
        • 2030: Green demand rises to 6-7 million tons
          • ~20% of total copper demand (from 5% today)

      What are the alternatives to Copper?

      • Copper has no close competitors in key role as conductor
        • Has primacy over key roles in grid, cars
      • Aluminum is the most obvious potential substitute
        • Would need way more aluminum to achieve same level of conductivity as copper
        • Not practical for uses with small amount of space
        • Possibly some substitution when space is not confined
        • Aluminum market is facing its own story of under investment on the supply side
        • Aluminum is also levered to green transition
      Forecasting Supply

      Lack of Fresh Investment

      • No shortage of copper in earth’s crust
      • There are potential, mineable options out there but capital is not flowing to these projects
      • Very different vs. 2000s 
        • In 2000s, there was a supply side respond to the increase in demand
        • Supply and demand increased in lock-step
        • This time that is not happening at all – no new copper mine approved in last 2 years even as prices have doubled
      • #1 constraint – the experience of the last cycle
        • The mining industry faced near death experience as a result of the overbuild in response to high prices in mid/late 2000s
        • Management in the mining sector is taking a much more conservative approach now
      • Another difference – ESG influence
        • Less capital flowing into commodities sectors (dont screen well thru ESG filter)
        • Higher ESG hurdles for new projects
          • For a new mine you will need 2-3 years to get the right permits to move forward (was only 6-12 months 20 years ago)
          • Chile is Saudi Arabia of copper market, permitting process has tripled in length
      • Lack of Talent
        • Young people no longer going into mining sector
        • Not enough engineers to support a new project (practical bottlenecks)

      Outlook for new mines:

      • Next 12 months: final spurt of growth set to come through
        • A small number of projects in Chile, Peru and the Copperbelt in Africa
      • Then we hit peak production at end of ’23, Q1 ’24
      • Open ended contraction of ~1% per year from 2025 onwards
      • Pretty set in stone
      • What changes this?
        • Price – realization that copper is absolutely a key material for transition, will become a decarbonization bottleneck

      New production technology?

      • Nothing similar to Shale breakthrough that will dramatically change supply
      • Some marginal developments around achieving higher returns from tailings deposits
        • marginal production gain, nothing along the lines of shale

      A Note on Copper Futures Prices

      • The chart above shows the CME Copper Futures price, which is quoted in U.S. dollars per pound.
      • The $15,000 copper price target above is U.S. dollars per tonne. LME Copper Futures are quoted in U.S. dollars per tonne.
      • 1 tonne = 2205 pounds

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